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The sociopolitical
attitude of the American population is often said to be gauged in reference
to a town in Illinois. But "How will it play in Peoria?" isn't
the only reason the city is notable; it's also the hometown of singer/songwriter
Dan Fogelberg, whose plaintive voice, evocative songs, and prowess on
guitar have resulted in platinum album sales. Fogelberg's efforts
ultimately took him (and manager Irving Azoff) from the Prairie State
to California, where he forged a successful career that hit its stride
in the late 1970s and early '80s. He's still touring and recording,
and his most recent release was 2003's appropriately titled Full Circle.
In '01, Martin marketed a signature model, the D-41DF, based on Fogelberg's
favorite acoustic.
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Vintage Guitar: There are at least two reasons music fans might surmise
you had some formal music training when you were growing up -- you're
an accomplished pianist, and you saluted your father in "Leader
of the Band."
Dan Fogelberg: Well, my dad was an educator and a bandleader,
and my mother was a singer, so we were surrounded by music. My dad was
always teaching, and we would go to concerts. Taking piano lessons from
age six to 10 was kind of the de riguer thing in the 50's for a lot
of kids. We suffered through it (chuckles). But my dad gave me the foundation
for the instrument, and when I got interested in music on my own, it
was Buddy Holly, the Beatles and Elvis, but I had the tools to approach
an instrument.
My grandfather gave me my first guitar, an old acoustic with palm trees
and dancing girls painted on it. I found it in the closet of his house
he had no use for it so he let me have it. I got my first Mel Bay Chord
Book, and around the time the Beatles were on "Ed Sullivan,"
I was already in a band. I'd actually done some lip-synching on records
at a Cub Scout Jamboree one night, and the kids ate it up. We thought,
"this is cool!" and started to learn how to really play.
When I got in seventh
grade, we were playing, and by the time I got to high school, we were
one of the more prominent bands in that area.
Would that have been The Coachmen? Gary Richrath and Bruce Hall both
cited that band.
No it was The Clan; a couple of the members were Scottish, including
me. That was really my first bland. That went on until I was a sophomore
in high school, then I joined the Coachmen, which was really a professional
band.
Were you attempting to be more of an electric or acoustic player
in those bands?
I was an electric player. I'd had an imitation Strat -- I think it was
made by Kent --which I'd had to talk my dad into getting for me, because
he was vehemently opposed to electric guitars. He did not look on that
kind of music as legitimate in any way (chuckles). He agreed to buy
it on the condition that I take lessons. So he set me up to take lessons
at the local music store, and we were already out doing gigs! This went
on for a few months, and then one night I saw a guitar player play the
John Lennon riff from "I Feel Fine." I thought "Cool!"
And I went home and learned it. The next time I went to a lesson, the
teacher walked in when I was playing that riff, and wanted me to teach
it to him (laughs)! So that was the end of my formal guitar training.
And I had an SG early on; a buddy in the band had more money than me,
and he bought guitars. But he wasn't very good, so I got to play 'em.
We were both playing through a single Silvertone amp...probably running
our vocal mic through it, too.
The Coachmen were a more professional group. They were older than me,
and when I joined, they were looking for a lead singer. So I quit playing
guitar for about a year and did the Roger Daltry thing with the mic.
And I was constantly breaking tambourines. They were doing a lot of
R&B before I got there -- James Brown, the Temptations, the Four
Tops. But I was getting into the Buffalo Springfield and the Byrds in
addition to the Beatles; I wanted to play "West Coast." So
I picked up an Eko 12-string with a DeArmond pickup, and started fingerpicking;
I was learning (Gordon) Lightfoot songs and Paul Simon songs.
That's when I "turned acoustic." We did Neil Young's "I
Am A Child," and Stephen Stills' "Bluebird" -- I played
banjo with the mic stuck in the back of it on that one; we did it just
like the record, which was pretty cool for a Peoria band.
Right before I left for Champaign -- my brother was in school there
-- Richrath called me, asking me to play guitar for a Bradley University
fraternity party; he wasn't in REO (Speedwagon) yet. He'd been in a
band called Suburban Nine-To-Five, and he put together this one-nighter
with no rehearsal; I can't remember the other players, but it paid something
like 500 bucks. I had an orange Gretsch, and I remember playing "Down
By The River" about 12 times (laughs)!
When you went
to Champaign-Urbana, did you perform at venues like the Chances R or
the Red Lion?
That was
Irving's stuff, and I was at the Red Hen at the time. I got there in
'69, and I had gone full-on folkie; I'd had it with bands. I was there
about a year and a half, two years. I kind of rose through the ranks,
and become one of the preeminent folkies. The Red Hen was recording
some of their act, and releasing records, and suddenly I was a local
celebrity. Irving heard me on the radio, and wanted to meet me, so I
went to the Chances R and performed for him at the bar...and there was
a fight going at the time (laughs)! He said, "I'm going' to L.A.
You want to go?" So the two of us dropped everything and headed
out. I think at that time I had two Martins and a Gretsch.
I was in Los Angeles about a year and a half, and I went to do my first
album in Nashville, and I fell in love with Nashville. I got lots of
work -- I not only got to make my record, but I was a session player,
working with some top guys, and learning so much about a studio. I lived
in Nashville for about three years, from '72 to '75. I did sessions
and went on the road solo, playing places like the Bitter End in New
York and the Troubadour in L.A. Things started happening; Irving managed
the Eagles, so we toured together a lot.
You ended up in Colorado, and purchased a house from Chris Hillman (VG,
October '92).
I was
in Denver with a band called Fool's Gold, that I put together in '74.
My road manager knew Chris; Manassas had split up and Chris was moving;
his wife was having a baby. (The house) was way out in the middle of
nowhere; I drove up to look at it and fell in love with it.
Most probably thought of you as a singer/songwriter. Was the 1978 album,
Twin Sons of Different Mothers, with Tim Weisberg, supposed to be
a statement regarding your instrumental abilities?
Absolutely.
I felt like some people thought of me as a singer/songwriter of the
John Denver type. Nothing wrong with that, but I was frustrated, because
I'm also a guitar player, and it's been the most frustrating thing of
my whole career.
What instruments were you using in that era?
When I
moved to L.A., I had this great (Martin) D-35 that a friend gave me,
and a (Martin) 000-18, both of which I still have, and I had that orange
Gretsch Nashville. I used those through Nether Lands. A recording
engineer, Jack Stronach, who worked with me on Captured Angel
and Souvenirs, found this amazing (Martin) D-41, which is still
my main guitar. He brought it to me and Joe Walsh; we were both rehearsing
our bands in L.A., and (Stronach) said, "Who wants it?" Joe
wasn't interested, but I went "Oh my God! I want this guitar!"
And ever since, I've played D-41s; I've played a lot of 'em, but that
is one of the greatest-recording guitars I've ever heard.
You went out on another tangent in 1985 with High Country Snows, a bluegrass
album.
I grew
up playing some Doc Watson, and I ran into Hillman and Al Perkins in
'84; they were going to play some of that kind of music and needed a
high tenor. We played in Telluride, and it was so much fun playing simple
American bluegrass. I got to meet Doc Watson and saw Emmylou (Harris)
who I hadn't seen in a long time. I'd written a lot of those kinds of
tunes but had never recorded them, so I figured why not make a bluegrass
record. I had a "dream list" and they all said yes. Doc Watson,
Chris Hillman, Herb Pederson, Dave Grisman, Russ Kunkel, Vince Gill
and Ricky Skaggs.
How could I not make that record (chuckles)? It was a once-in-a-lifetime
thing to have all of those people available at the same time. And we
had the time of our lives. I've never enjoyed making a record more.
The stories never stopped; it seems like bluegrass people have more
great stories to tell than other musicians.
I'm really proud
of that record, even though the record company fought me tooth and nail
over it; they tried everything short of an injunction to stop it.
When you've taken an activist bent in your career, it's been almost
exclusively environment-oriented.
Yeah; it's a very important issue to me, trying to wake people up to
the fact that we'd better take better care of our planet.
You played at some of the No Nukes concerts but weren't on the album.
That was recorded in New York, and I wasn't there. The biggest one I
did was in Washington, and there were about 100,000 people there. We
did shows in L.A. and elsewhere.
Let's talk about some of the instruments you're using in concert
these days.
About all I use it a D-41 with a Sunrise pickup in the soundhole. I
have some D-45s, but I don't take them out -- those are only for recording.
I've always used Sunrise pickups, and I don't use any pre-amp;it goes
straight into a direct box, then the board.
There's a 12-string on "The Reach."
That's a Guild. Also with a Sunrise pickup. I use the Guild on "The
Reach" and "Nexus," and an Ibanez for "Part of the
Plan."
There are two small Music Man amps, one of top of the other, for
your electrics.
A 2x10 and a 2x12; I use the 2x10 most of the time and the 2x12 is a
back up. For years, I used 50-watt Marshalls, but over the years we've
come to realize you don't need that much power. The Eagles have one
of the quietest stages you've ever heard. If you're playing blues and
rock and roll, though, Marshalls are great amps.
When you play electric on-stage, most of the time it's a Fender Stratocaster.
Strats are my favorite electric guitars, and I've got quite a collection;
they go back to '59. I've a '62, a '63, and on up. Those instruments
usually don't travel, but I did take my '63, "Old Ratty,"
on tour last year. It's been with me since the late '70s; it's all over
Twin Sons and The Innocent Age and Phoenix. It
got really trashed and felt worn out, so I retired it. But last year,
as I started revisiting some older material, I got it out, as well as
the old orange Gretsch. Ratty is my blues guitar.
The encore on the 2002 tour was George Harrison's "If I Needed
Someone," and you played a Fireglo Rickenbacker 12-string, capo'ed
on the seventh fret just like Harrison.
I've had that a long time; it's an original 60's Ricky. Sometimes I
forget about where I got some of the guitars I have, but I've got some
other Beatles guitars, like a Höfner bass. And I got those before
that Broadway show (Beatlemania) premiered. After that, you couldn't
get 'em. I wanted a blond one, like a (Roger) McGuinn model, but I couldn't
find one. It's really fun to play on-stage.
The title of your newest album, Full Circle, implies that you're
back to the type of music with which you're most associated.
But "Full Circle" is a track written by Gene Clark of the
Byrds. I'd cut it for no reason whatsoever back in the '90s. I didn't
think I'd ever use it, because I did a lot of other projects; other
CDs, including a Christmas record, a box set, a jazz record, another
live record. I realized I had a lot of acoustic-type songs I was using.
I needed to get to them, but was so busy I couldn't. I finally made
time to concentrate on them.
Some of them date back to the '70s and '80s; the oldest one, "Drawing
Pictures," was picked right at the end of the project. I needed
one more pretty ballad that might have been on Home Free or maybe
Souvenirs, and "Drawing Pictures" was written around
that time; it was one that could have been on Souvenirs, but
for whatever reason, wasn't. So I thought it'd be cool to include it
instead of a contemporary ballad. It was a good song that had been hanging
around in the wings for 30 years.
As it progressed, I realized I could include the track "Full Circle,"
because that's what we were doing -- I was using my D-35s and old Gretsches
and old amps. That's why I thought it would make a good title track.
The Gene Clark songs really didn't inspire me to go that route, but
it seemed to fit in.
Full Circle continues your penchant for opening an album with a brief
instrumental ("Half Moon Bay").
That was written specifically to open the record. That's kind of a signature
of mine.
Is it fair to say that when it comes to acoustic, the way you play
isn't just "strumming," but that you play chords in a manner
that "propels" the song?
Yeah, I suppose so. I strum more in a band setting, of course, but when
I'm playing solo, I have to support the song with something that I feel
will keep it interesting. Usually, it's fingerpicking -- that's the
style I prefer.
Reportedly you used an old Gretsch on "Reason To Run."
That was my Country Gentleman. There's a picture of me with that guitar
in the album that my wife took in the studio. That guitar is gorgeous,
and again, I don't take that on the road; it's just for the studio.
It has an old Buffalo Springfield sound.
There have been
reports that you own a rare Gretsch White Penguin.
It's the jewel of my collection. I used it for a video of "Language
of Love" back in '84...white set, white suit, white guitar! Randy
Bachman called and wanted to know if I wanted to sell it (chuckles).
But I really didn't know what it was worth, and that's when I started
looking into the value of my collection.
But the ones I've got that went on to become valuable, I bought to play.
I was never an investor. I got the White Penguin in '72 from Gruhn Guitars...for
$200.
"Whispers in the Wind" on the new album is a tribute to
Gordon Lightfoot.
The acoustic ballads, which some people know me best for, really came
out of Gordon Lightfoot, Paul Simon, and Joni Mitchell, but especially
Gordon. His melodic sense was unforgettable, staggering. And he still
comes up with that kind of material!
The final track,
"Earth Anthem," is the other non-original, and has an environmental
theme.
I've had that song around since I was in college; I think it's one of
the very first environmental songs ever written. It was on an album
called Battle of the Bands, by the Turtles, in 1967. It's really
a clever album, and I don't know why they put that song on there in
the first place. It's kind of out of character for the album, but what
a beautiful song!
I originally cut that for an environmental group in Colorado that was
putting together a charity CD. But the group apparently went belly-up,
and the CD never came out, so I was sitting on that track. It could
have just as easily gone on an album like River of Souls. I thought
it would be a nice way to end the new album.
How much of the new album's material are you doing on tour?
Two or three songs; we worked up more than that, but some worked
better than others. I don't want to overload the audience with new material;
they're coming to hear the hits. I can't be so self-indulgent that I'd
try to play Full Circle start-to-finish (chuckles). We've got
a 30-year track record to cover, so we try to say, "Here's your
favorites, but check this out, too."
You've done a bluegrass album, a jazz album, a Christmas record.
Are there any projects you'd like to add to your portfolio?
I'd like to do a guitar instrumental record. I've got all kinds
of material I could do on something like that, and it would be very
diverse -- I've got some classical stuff, some Bossa Nova/Brazilian
stuff, some blues, jazzy stuff. If I ever do a guitar record, it'll
have a little bit oft everything! But I have to sat that Full Circle
is a thank you to fans who have stuck around for all these years.
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